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  God and Unicorns

  by Sea Breeze in

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  atheist scientists now agree that "elasmotherium sibiricu" lived with humans.

  all they had to do was read their bible to know that.

  job 39:9 “will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”.

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  this particular specimen went extinct 30,000 years ago

  If you can believe some scientists timelines. Scientific analysis reveal the earth’s atmosphere hasn’t changed much in billions of yeas. That’s a serious problem for evolutionists who think it took billions of years just for our atmosphere to support life. But it makes perfect sense from a Biblical view of creation.

  And while we are on the subject of diamonds, one of the the hardest minerals on earth that supposedly took millions of years to form. How did carbon get in them? Why is it still detectable when it decays in only thousands of years?

  Scientists are consistently finding significant amounts of 14c everywhere it shouldn't be including the 2019 report in eLife on a Centrosaurus. In 2011 the journal PLoS One reported plenty of modern carbon in an allegedly 80-million year old mosasaur bone. The journal Radiocarbon has reported 14c in natural gas, coal, oil and other petroleum products.

  Other careful studies report radiocarbon in limestone (from the Mesozoic layer), fossilized wood, coal, marble, deep groundwater, geological graphite, and in many dinosaur bones including the ten described below and the seven described in 2015 in the Radiocarbon in Dinosaur and Other Fossils paper by paleobiochemist Dr. Brian Thomas and his co-author Vance Nelson. And as reported at ScienceDirect, short-lived 14c is regularly found even in supposedly billion-year-old diamonds!
  
  
  
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  God and Unicorns

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  atheist scientists now agree that "elasmotherium sibiricu" lived with humans.

  all they had to do was read their bible to know that.

  job 39:9 “will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”.

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  protein structures have persisted far, far longer than was thought possible.

  @PeacefulPete

  That's an understatement.

  Atheist scientists are saying the same thing about galaxies with the new WEBB telescope.... interesting isn't it?

  Lots of other stuff has persisted far, far longer than predicted by an atheist worldview as well. Especially when you consider that DNA only has a half-life of 521 years..... meaning it is undetectable after 1-6 million years.

  - allegedly 17 million year old magnolia leaf contains DNA (Scientific American 1993)
  - allegedly 18 million year old salamander muscle and vessels filled with blood (Proc. Roy. Soc. 2009)
  - allegedly 40 million year old bee fossil contains LIVING bacteria (Science 1995)
  - allegedly 120 million year old insect fossil contains DNA (Nature 1993)
  - allegedly 200 million year old fish fossil contains DNA (Science. News 1992)
  - allegedly 400 million year old fish amino acids (Journal of Applied Genetics 2003).
  - allegedly 600 million year old rock contains LIVING bacillus (Nature 2000).

  Any atheists care to comment on these facts?

  From Dr. Walt Brown:

  68. Old DNA, Bacteria, Proteins, and Soft Tissue?

  DNA. When an animal or plant dies, its DNA begins decomposing.a Before 1990, almost no one believed that DNA could last 10,000 years.b This limit was based on measuring DNA disintegration rates in well-preserved specimens of known age, such as Egyptian mummies. DNA has now been reported in supposedly a 400,000-year-old hominin femur from Spain,c 17-million-year-old magnolia leaves,d and 11-to-425-million-year-old salt crystals.e Dozens of plants and animals have left DNA in sediments claimed to be 30,000–400,000 years old.f DNA fragments have been found in the scales of a “200-million-year-old” fossilized fishg and possibly in “80-million-year-old” dinosaur bones buried in a coal bed.h Frequently, DNA is found in insects and plants encased in amber samples, assumed to be 25–120-million years old.i

  These discoveries have forced evolutionists to reexamine the 10,000-year limit.j They now claim that DNA can be preserved longer if conditions are dryer, colder, and freer of oxygen, bacteria, and background radiation. However, measured disintegration rates of DNA, under these more ideal conditions, do not support this claim.k

  Bacteria. Even living bacterial spores have been recovered, cultured, and identified in intestines of bees preserved in supposedly 25–40-million-year-old amber.l The same bacteria, Bacillus, have been found alive in rocks allegedly 250 million and 650-million years old.m Italian scientists have recovered 78 different types of dormant, but living, bacteria in two meteorites that are presumed to be 4.5-billion years old.n Anyone who accepts such old ages for these rocks must also accept that some bacteria are practically immortal—an obviously absurd conclusion. (Because these “old” bacteria and the various DNA specimens closely match those of today, little evolution has occurred.)

  Proteins and Soft Tissue. Evolutionists face similar contradictions with proteins,o soft tissue,p blood compounds ,q and other complex organic matterr preserved in dinosaur bones.s Researchers were shocked to find soft tissue in eight pieces of a dinosaur’s toe, rib, hip, leg, and claw.t Even dinosaur skin (from a hadrosaur) has been recovered and tested.u As with DNA, it is ridiculous to believe these remains have lasted 65–150-million years.v
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

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  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Good night Cofty.
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  @Cofty

  I am definitely comparing a Christian worldview with an Atheist worldview.... as we should with all worldviews. We should take the time to see if they are at least consistent. We all owe this to ourselves after suffering the abuse of the WT.

  You have taken everything I and nicolaou have said and presented it as the exact opposite of what we actually said.

  Can you give me an example?
  
  
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  I think that means you are all out of explanations Cofty, at least for now. If you can think of anything else that can account for objective atheist morality, other than :

  * conventions

  * descriptions

  * physiology

  Please let me know.

  All worldviews other than the Christian worldview are ultimately irrational, inconsistent & arbitrary.

  - Sea Breeze
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Objective morality is the task of making moral judgements on the basis of a standard we can agree on with others.

  @ Cofty
  
  I have already commented on the presupposition of convention in responding to TonusOh. One country says driving on the right side of the road is correct. Another country does just the opposite and states it is correct. So, convention cannot expalin objective atheist morality if it is just agreed upon rules.

  We know the basic needs of other humans since we all share the same physiology.

  But we don't all share the same physiology, so it is impossible for you to know anything based upon that explanation. My brain chemistry is different than your brain chemistry. Furthermore, in your world view why would I care about the basic human needs of others if we are simply chemical reactions?

  Would you try to save the baking soda if you saw that it was periously close to coming into contact with vinegar? Would you feel bad and have regret if you did not? Of course not, I'm sure you would agree that is absurd.

  Any other possible explanations for atheist objective morality?
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Cofty,

  You seem reluctant to engage. I answered your question. Now answer mine. Do you have anything other than what you have already presented as a possible atheist-friendly explanation regarding the origin of atheist objective morality?
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Objective morality: Rules and expectations that would be the same for you and me, even though we may have different opinions, positions in life, influence etc.
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Why don't you define objective morality? You've already said that the term: "morals" is simply descriptive in nature. So, in your view does objective morality (as opposed to subjective morality) exist?
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  Moral responsibility.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.

  please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.

  a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!

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  Sea Breeze

  Morals are simply the name we give to the way we choose to act towards other conscious creatures.

  Got it.

  So, allow me to clarify a bit. Are you saying that in your view all of our moral choices are equal? Or, is there such a thing as objective morality?